Question CPU speculation

[axlrose]

I am in need of a new build. I'm trying to research and save up money. If I can build new in a year or two, can anyone tell me about switching to a new architecture? I know the next thing is always a year away, and it's always bigger and better and faster etc.

Zen six sounds good. It sounds like there is solid (?) information coming out on it. It also sounds like Zen seven / ARM 6 is going to be a socket change. What does it mean to buy in on the last chip of a socket? On the first chip of a socket?

Thanks.

 

[USAFRet]

I am in need of a new build. I'm trying to research and save up money. If I can build new in a year or two, can anyone tell me about switching to a new architecture? I know the next thing is always a year away, and it's always bigger and better and faster etc.

Zen six sounds good. It sounds like there is solid (?) information coming out on it. It also sounds like Zen seven / ARM 6 is going to be a socket change. What does it mean to buy in on the last chip of a socket? On the first chip of a socket?

Thanks.

If you're not building for "a year or two"...this is FAR too early to begin selecting parts.

 

[TerryLaze]

I am in need of a new build. I'm trying to research and save up money. If I can build new in a year or two, can anyone tell me about switching to a new architecture? I know the next thing is always a year away, and it's always bigger and better and faster etc.

Zen six sounds good. It sounds like there is solid (?) information coming out on it. It also sounds like Zen seven / ARM 6 is going to be a socket change. What does it mean to buy in on the last chip of a socket? On the first chip of a socket?

Thanks.

You have a 6700k and thinking of upgrading in a couple of years...so what does it matter if you go for first or last?!
The next time you will upgrade it's going to make no difference just as it doesn't make any difference now if you had bought something else other than the 6700k.

 

[geofelt]

New processor architectures may well require a new motherboard and perhaps a socket change.
Most people will buy a processor and a new motherboard at the same time.
If the socket remains the same, the advantage is that the original cooler will still likely work.

Future proofing is not a great idea.
Buy what you need for now and for perhaps the next couple of years.
Providing for a graphics card upgrade is a good idea for gamers.
Past that, products will change, and your needs will change.

 

[axlrose]

New processor architectures may well require a new motherboard and perhaps a socket change.
Most people will buy a processor and a new motherboard at the same time.
If the socket remains the same, the advantage is that the original cooler will still likely work.

Future proofing is not a great idea.
Buy what you need for now and for perhaps the next couple of years.
Providing for a graphics card upgrade is a good idea for gamers.
Past that, products will change, and your needs will change.

I get that. I guess what I'm trying to get a feel for, is while there is always that jealous feeling as soon as something newer comes out, is the step from zen 5 to zen 6 totally different from the step of ARM 5 to ARM 6?

 

[USAFRet]

is the step from zen 5 to zen 6 totally different from the step of ARM 5 to ARM 6?

Totally unknown until they are released and tested.

 

[geofelt]

Having watched the introduction of new processors for many years, they generally are not the quantum leap that pundits and marketing claim.
It is more like 10-15% boost in price/performance.

 

[Eximo]

Speculation and trending.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compar...700K-vs-Intel-i7-14700K-vs-Intel-Ultra-7-265K

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compar...00X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-7700X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-9700X

We have seen some decent jumps from AMD, even when sticking with the same node. But I suspect the big changes for Zen 6 are going to be core config. 12 core CCD will show a large multithread improvement, but only a minor single thread improvement. I believe there is also talk of improving the connections between the CCDs. More cores means more power, so the chances of potential drop in clock speed exists, and that interconnectivity might also have a power penalty.

Intel is also using the same TSMC fabs for their logic. If they ever do switch to using Intel fabs again, that could be a positive or a negative depending on how things go. If TSMC can keep optimizing their fabs AMD and Intel might just stick with it.

Not sure if AMDs chiplet approach or Intel's tile approach will prove to be better in the long run. Intel milked the monolith approach for a long time while AMD was optimizing their product stack to simple repetition.

 

[axlrose]

Having watched the introduction of new processors for many years, they generally are not the quantum leap that pundits and marketing claim.
It is more like 10-15% boost in price/performance.

That's good to know. So generally again, switching from a zen to a zen provides a boost and switching from an arm to an arm provides a boost. Okay. What about ddr6? I thought I had read speculation that arm six would coincide with ddr6. Just rumor, or is there maybe something to that?

 

[axlrose]

Speculation and trending.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compar...700K-vs-Intel-i7-14700K-vs-Intel-Ultra-7-265K

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compar...00X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-7700X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-9700X

We have seen some decent jumps from AMD, even when sticking with the same node. But I suspect the big changes for Zen 6 are going to be core config. 12 core CCD will show a large multithread improvement, but only a minor single thread improvement. I believe there is also talk of improving the connections between the CCDs. More cores means more power, so the chances of potential drop in clock speed exists, and that interconnectivity might also have a power penalty.

Intel is also using the same TSMC fabs for their logic. If they ever do switch to using Intel fabs again, that could be a positive or a negative depending on how things go. If TSMC can keep optimizing their fabs AMD and Intel might just stick with it.

Not sure if AMDs chiplet approach or Intel's tile approach will prove to be better in the long run. Intel milked the monolith approach for a long time while AMD was optimizing their product stack to simple repetition.

I know it's all guessing, but I thought I had been reading they were looking at the possibility of core clocks going up significantly?

 

[USAFRet]

I know it's all guessing, but I thought I had been reading they were looking at the possibility of core clocks going up significantly?

Consider the prerelease hype of 13th Gen Intel. Or FailDozer. Or FX-9590.

 

[axlrose]

Speculation and trending.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compar...700K-vs-Intel-i7-14700K-vs-Intel-Ultra-7-265K

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compar...00X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-7700X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-9700X

We have seen some decent jumps from AMD, even when sticking with the same node. But I suspect the big changes for Zen 6 are going to be core config. 12 core CCD will show a large multithread improvement, but only a minor single thread improvement. I believe there is also talk of improving the connections between the CCDs. More cores means more power, so the chances of potential drop in clock speed exists, and that interconnectivity might also have a power penalty.

Intel is also using the same TSMC fabs for their logic. If they ever do switch to using Intel fabs again, that could be a positive or a negative depending on how things go. If TSMC can keep optimizing their fabs AMD and Intel might just stick with it.

Not sure if AMDs chiplet approach or Intel's tile approach will prove to be better in the long run. Intel milked the monolith approach for a long time while AMD was optimizing their product stack to simple repetition.

Thanks for these. I really appreciate seeing sets of same chips and sets of different chips compared. You guys are right on that the growth is still fairly gradual.

 

[axlrose]

Trying to get a second job to start saving for a new build, so I'll be back with lots more questions!